The following interview was originally published on European Civil War, the site run by Julian Langness.
The following is an interview with Jared, creator of The Great Order.
Jared is a very bright dude I’m glad to know, and I am glad to bring his reasoned analysis to these pages!
Leave a comment below with any thoughts you have or questions for the man!
Jared / The Great Order Interview
One: Could you introduce yourself and tell us about who you are, what you do, etc?
I look to nature, the “Order” in my project’s name is the order of a forest, not a greenhouse. When I say “nature” here it doesn’t just necessarily mean living out in the woods away from any modern technology. It’s primarily a state of being one arrives at, a posture towards life that comes from harmony with it, and an understanding of yourself.
You can have dull people who just happen to live in the woods. Likewise, you can have very in-tune, wise, and well-balanced people whose work require they live in a city. Though other things being equal, I certainly value the nourishing experiences of being in natural environments.
Not many things provide people a solid center of gravity today, and this has deleterious effects on all levels: the personal, familial, societal.
I view identity and experience in terms of nested layers. I want to put out content that’s useful on all of those different levels. But what this moment calls for, and what I’m most called to, is addressing the undermining of European peoples and European civilization. We need to break the chains of conditioning and manipulations, getting us varying European peoples back in touch with who we are. No one else is coming to save us.
Two: What did your intellectual or political journey look like to arrive at the beliefs you have today?
I’ve always had an innate sense of my European roots, enjoyed a traditional upbringing in many ways, and possessed a strong sense of aesthetics, standards, and morality from a young age.
I also was raised and schooled in big cities, met and dealt with all kinds of people, was very happy-go-lucky growing up, am not fundamentally tribalist (I reasoned myself out of being a big sports fan before I was 10) and possess a creative temperament that naturally brings with it a certain openness. I always questioned social assumptions and didn’t just go along with the crowd.
So I had to weave those two strands of order and openness together.
An instinct that wasn’t necessarily political pulled me towards this. Politics serves, is the outward mechanics of, deeper biological, emotional, intellectual, spiritual currents and conflicts.
I particularly remember reading a blog article in late 2013 discussing European folk spiritualities and conceptions of deity. It was interesting, more than just the leftist neo-pagan type stuff. But I still sensed that I needed something more. Some kind of knowledge and perspective lay tantalizingly just beyond my reach.
I wanted to contact the deeper ideas behind European cultural and spiritual practices, and what these said about our particular characteristics and mindset (knowing there’s of course many nations and ethnicities within the larger European umbrella).
For all the pitfalls of computers and digital technology, it was one of its best aspects—the ability to surf the web and make those quick, seemingly random connections—that lead me to serendipitously discover counter-currents.com. I believe I initially landed on an article by Collin Cleary. Digging into that site opened up a lot for me.
It also laid the groundwork so that by fall 2015, when news of the European migrant crisis hit, I immediately recognized what was happening. Though I think my instincts would have alerted me to the danger and consequences even if I’d been less informed at that time. Something deep stirred in my DNA when I saw the news of the migrant crisis.
Three: Who were some of the biggest writers/thinkers/Youtubers/etc who affected that journey?
I can focus on and use what’s interesting to me from a speaker or writer’s material without necessarily acquiescing to their over-arching thesis. For example, when I listened to Stefan Molyneux to learn more about the Trump campaign, or hear religious discussions, or cultural commentary, I never paid much heed to the stateless society idea, which nonetheless is a centerpiece of his thought.
As mentioned, discovering Counter Currents opened me to a new side of intellectual history that’s been suppressed in schools (including seeing your work there, Julian!)
Colin Cleary’s book Summoning The Gods discusses opening oneself to a way of being, not just LARPing, that can put us in touch with a more holistic experience, perhaps closer to how our pre-industrial ancestors moved through the world.
Evola’s Mystery of the Grail presents a vision of order and meaning tied to our European symbols and myths.
Charles Upton’s System of the Antichrist: Truth and Falsehood in Postmodernism and the New Age provides a thorough takedown of relativism and more modern “spiritualities,” even if those contain some truths and helpful advice.
Jonathan Bowden’s speeches and his early interviews with Richard Spencer, Alan Watts, many others, and of course the output of Greg Johnson himself all flowed out of discovering Counter Currents.
Ricardo Duchesne’s The Uniqueness of Western Civilization and Faustian Man in a Multicultural Age are huge touch points for me, the latter playing into my Morality of Nationalism video series. Duchesne exposes and articulates an overall European character, whether expressed in the Roman Empire, the Germanic tribes, or a host of others, that binds and bonds us. This is crucial for bridge building and self-understanding within our own people.
As for YouTubers: Millennial Woes has been a big one, though I got into him late as far as antecedents to my going public.
I was already building my site last summer when I really got into his channel. I recognized in Woes a sensitive and curious mind, as well as an incredible intimacy and lack of pretense he exhibits in his presentation.
I’m grateful that I’d been invited to participate in his Millenniyule 2017 interview series a few months after I started publishing videos.
There’s also Survive the Jive, who I’ve listened to for several years now, The Golden One, Red Ice, Way of the World, and more recently, Carolyn Emerick, for her deep knowledge of our folk traditions. I’ve collaborated with her.
I think JF is doing interesting things with The Public Space recently. There are still others of course, too many to list here…
Four: What do you think is the issue or idea most overlooked within the intellectual ‘movement’ of folks who roughly share our views?
We need to always remember how many people out there in the general population at best flirt with this nationalist/identitarian material and self-censor, or are turned off by the ugly aspects. We must know how to reach them and take them along.
Someone made a great comment on Counter Currents recently that red pilling a mainstream person is like trying to diffuse a bomb—cut the wires in the wrong order and it explodes in your face.
A few other things:
I think people in our space have to get better about allegedly “doing this because we love our own European people.” A lot is still quoting IQ graphs and crime stats and bad news. That has a place and an importance, but that’s playing defense.
Playing offense means Europeans confidently getting back in touch with who we are, both the stories of our specific ethnicities/nationalies, and an overarching understanding of the broader European race and civilization. We must proactively put ourselves back in the center of our own narrative. We must shed the preambles and embarrassments and robustly state who we are, teach and remind each other who we are, and advocate for ourselves as Europeans.
Our fight together right now dwarfs any debates we may have about possible future economic or political orders, or even religion—though I do think it serves us to tease out what’s useful and what isn’t from the different mytho-poetic symbols, stories and traditions that have lived in Europe.
I know stating that will in turn invite debate, but I ultimately acknowledge that some people respond to Christ and cross, others respond to the Mjolnir hammer and folk customs, still others mainly to the stars and stripes and images of eagles. These symbols are entrenched and powerful. Someone is not going to simply drop these symbols and attendant beliefs overnight just because you resonate with something different. We must be realistic. What’s paramount is that we’re all people of European descent and face a crisis together. We must keep the plot on that.
For those who publicly participate in one way or another, I’d say: your character is your most important asset, beyond what information you may have, or how well you can get a rise out of people on social media. Yes, time is not on our side with demographic trends and the current cultural trajectory. But there’s a big difference between panic and urgency.
Fifth: What do you think the future will look like for Europe, the US, etc?
I don’t make large-scale predictions.
Six: What are the things that currently give you the most hope vis a vis the future of the West?
That the European people of varying hues have a unique mixture of sensitivity and ferocity, of creativity and will. We’ve been through crises before. And that more European-descended people than ever, of varying personality types, talents, and interests, are waking up to the situation.
Seven: What are your personal goals for the future? (and how can people follow/support your work, etc).
I want to continue having very edifying and stimulating conversations with other content creators via video livestreams. This has been an incredible thing that’s blossomed since February. I get to meet interesting people and learn in public.
I co-host the “After Party” livestream with Jason of No White Guilt on his YouTube channel.
I’m also a panelist on This Week on the Alt Right.
I make my own videos, and my site has many other features and resources, including original t-shirts, curated art, some articles, and my poetry.
I’d like to continue with the editorial content while adding more creative projects.
Subscribing to my YouTube channel as well as alt tech social media platforms is very important and appreciated. You can see what platforms I’m on, and support my work, on TheGreatOrder.com
Eight: Any final thoughts?
Julian, I’d like to warmly thank you and your readership for the ability to share some thoughts here. I look forward to speaking more!